Episode 663: Roger Berry & Brian Lester - Mold Remediation, Can Spray Be The Way?

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Episode 663: Roger Berry & Brian Lester - Mold Remediation, Can Spray Be The Way?

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Show Resources: Show Discussion:

12:04:04 From Jack Springston : Berlin Wall in Germany?
12:08:19 From cliff zlotnik : sorry jack incorrect
12:10:05 From Danny Gough’s iPad : Just curious how mold issues arise from a real estate transaction. Not many realtors want to evaluate mold at purchase for fear of squashing the deal. Moreover, in todays market, we’re seeing purchases with no inspections and no contingencies.
12:24:11 From Jonathan Faith : TRIVIA: In the year 1993 what was the Guinness Book of World Records holder for most painted object in the world and where was it located?
12:30:00 From Jack Springston : I now know the answer, but only because I Googled it, so that does not really count
12:56:54 From IAQ Dotty : I think you guys should be on Shark Tank!
13:01:59 From Jonathan Faith : https://dotcleaner.com/
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Re: Episode 663: Roger Berry & Brian Lester - Mold Remediation, Can Spray Be The Way?

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We've discussed green cleaning on prior IAQradio broadcasts. Many of the early green cleaning products were safer BUT THEY DIDN'T WORK!

You can't argue about making the world a safer place by reducing or eliminating toxic chemicals. We've discussed green cleaning on prior IAQradio broadcasts. When I look at SUDOC, it appears to me that the company seems to be the real deal. My initial and current interest in SUDOC is seeing what they can do to activate hydrogen peroxide.

I opine that mold stain removal is a very important component of many mold remediation projects. In tight spaces like attics and crawl spaces, where workers are wearing uncomfortable PPE; safer and more effective stain removal products are needed.

I opine its much easier to specify and tell someone what must be done than it is to do what has been specified, and if IEPs had hands-on experience in remediation that they would be better equipped to create specifications and protocols.

Have you ever noticed when you go to the supermarket that in the laundry section the identical chemical product chlorine bleach is sold both as a stain remover and as a disinfectant. There usually is a significant difference in price because the cost of EPA regulation and state registration is factored into one of the products and these cost aren't a financial burden to the other.

I cut and pasted EPA guidance on their criteria for classifying products as a cleaner or pesticide. The entire list and the link will be found below.

1. Cleans or removes stains.
2. Cleans or removes stains from algae, mold, mildew or other non-public health organisms.
3. Cleans or removes dirt, soil, dust, debris, inanimate scum, inanimate nutrients, inanimate organic particulates, or inanimate contaminants.

https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registrat ... nder-fifra
Examples of Claims That the Agency Considers to be Pesticidal
Cleaning products with claims such as those described below are considered by the Agency to be intended for a pesticidal purpose because the claims imply or express that the product mitigates a pest, directly or indirectly, either by itself or by removing the pest’s food, food source or its habitat. These examples represent claims or types of claims for a cleaning product that would trigger a requirement to register the product under FIFRA.

Cleans away, washes away or removes any pest covered by 40 CFR §152.5.
Cleans away, washes away or removes biofilm or scum (unqualified).
Cleans away, washes away or removes allergens (unqualified).
Cleans away or removes allergens associated with a pest (e.g., dust mite allergens, cockroach allergens).
Removes pests by suffocating or drowning.
Cleans or removes pest habitats or breeding sites.
Cleans, precipitates or removes contaminants, nutrients or matter that provide food or habitat for pests.
Cleans, reduces or removes scum or sludge where pests breed, feed or live.
Out-competes or displaces a pest for nutrition or habitat.
Cleans or removes the habitat where biofilm, germs, allergens or microorganisms can hide, thrive or grow.
Prevents, blocks, removes, neutralizes or controls bacteria or other pests that cause odors.
Sanitizes, disinfects or sterilizes.
Images of pests or pest habitats (e.g., nest, hive or web) that imply cleaning or removal of pest habitats, or of nutrition or sources of nutrition for pests.
A banner, logo, design, header or any claim on a label or labeling, or through other means such as web sites, advertising, etc. that specifically links the cleaning product to pest control, Integrated Pest Management (IPM), pests or a specific kind of pest.
Examples of Claims That the Agency Considers are Not Pesticidal
Cleaning products with claims such as those described below are generally considered by the Agency to not be intended for a pesticidal purpose. These cleaning products claim to remove dirt or other debris without any linkage to mitigating a pest, its food, food source, or its habitat. Many of these examples are similar to the examples in the previous section with the explicit linkage to a pest removed.

When not used in connection with other pesticidal claims or in a context where they imply pesticidal purposes, these examples represent claims, or types of claims, for a cleaning product that would not trigger a requirement to register the product under FIFRA.

Cleans or removes stains.
Cleans or removes stains from algae, mold, mildew or other non-public health organisms.
Cleans or removes dirt, soil, dust, debris, inanimate scum, inanimate nutrients, inanimate organic particulates, or inanimate contaminants.
Cleans a site (e.g., ponds, aquariums, etc.).
Prevents, blocks, neutralizes, reduces, eliminates, encapsulates or removes odors; deodorizes.
Cleans, reduces or removes sludge.
Cleans or removes inanimate scum such as “soap scum.”
Cleans, washes or prepares the surface for application of a registered disinfectant intended to kill biofilm.
Combines suspended inanimate particulates for easy removal by a filtration system.
Cleans away or removes inanimate dust-mite matter, non-living matter, or allergens from non-living sources (e.g., pet dander allergens, cockroach matter allergens, dust mite matter allergens) [These examples differ from the examples in the section on claims we consider to be pesticidal in that these indicate that the allergens come from non-living matter such as “pet dander,” “cockroach matter” and “dust mite matter.”]

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Re: Episode 663: Roger Berry & Brian Lester - Mold Remediation, Can Spray Be The Way?

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Great show with our guests Roger and Brian. It's always nice to hear from the man in the field doing this work on a daily basis. Mold remediation is tough work. I look forward to hearing the feedback from our audience as they try out the Dot products.
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